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  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

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  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

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  Simon: it's all about whether it pays a decent wage.

  Who gets to say what's a decent wage. It's not about "decent" wages. It's about American companies staying alive, even competitive, in a global economy. That's why companies who stay in the U.S. have to get cheap labor from illegal immigrants. It's Adam Smith invisible hand always at work in a free market economy. American workers have to get used to the new world order or get a rude awakening. Voting for Trump got them a short break only. The invisible hand can't be contained for long.

  Simon :I presume illegal immigrants don't [pay taxes]?

  No good numbers on that, but many, possibly most illegal aliens pay income taxes in proportion to their low wages. They also are consumers and pay sales tax and pay property taxes through their landlords. So, the answer is many illegal aliens don't get a tax free ride.
  
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  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

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  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

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  It is quite amazing how easily people are willing to ignore their own principles. Most reasonable people in the planet would agree that laws are necessary for an orderly society, and yet so many either get offended by, or disregard the mentioning of the word "Illegal" when referring to most of the immigration going on between the borders of the U.S. and Mexico. In fact, it should be enough to say "It's illegal" to end the debate. But people who use this argument are demonized and called bigots. Strange times!
  
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  UK: Paul Shields "abused girls after luring them with video games"

  by darkspilver in

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  2. child-abuse

  fyi from north-east england:.

  http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/johovahs-witness-abused-girls-after-12538877.

  jehovah's witness abused girls after luring them with video games, court told.

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  Richard Oliver
  

  Confidentiality? B.S. What a bunch of crap! Three elders put together, victim, perhaps parents, and perpetrator and then the Watchtower legal services (multiple people) is involved too. As far as I know this business of confidentiality involves two persons only: the spiritual advisor and the "sinner". That's it. No reports, no judicial committees, no interrogations.
  
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  Scientology Superbowl Ad

  by azor in

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  simply disgusted with that double standard by our system at times.

  cutting ads that question trumps bigoted wall, yet allowing a cult ad in.

  wtf..

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  If you have bought into the rhetoric calling for a wall then yes you are a bigot
  

  This narrow minded approach, to say the least, is what's going to get this country even more polarized.

  I think the wall is a waste of money. I also believe that Trump expecting Mexico to pay for the wall is absolutely ridiculous. But calling the people favoring the wall bigoted never crosses my mind. Those people favoring the wall are threatened by mostly economic and cultural factors that affect their lives and livelihood. They believe the wall will reduce that threat. Bigotry is hardly a reason.

  The biggest threat to Americans' jobs and wages is coming from a global economy. The wall will not change that. That's why, if it ever happens, is going to fail to solve any economical threats.
  
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  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

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  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

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  So the anti-immigration people aren't manipulative?

  Of course they are. When did I suggest that they are not?

  Re-read my post. There's good rational arguments in favor and against, but few people care for them.
  
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  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

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  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

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  The ad is Watchtower style. Emotional to the core.

  Give me the rational arguments. There's plenty in favor and against.

  This commercial is emotionally manipulative. The U.S. and other developed countries can't, nor are obliged to, absorb everyone who is poor and suffering in the world. It'd be nice, but is far from reality.

  And yes, I am an immigrant living in the U.S. who believes that any host country has to the right to make rational decisions that primarily benefit itself and its citizens before any emotional considerations are applied.
  
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  Sometimes I think the WT is mocking the masses

  by NikL in

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  as in today's study.... 18 to lie is to say something untruthful.

  (as in millions now living will never die, this generation will by no means pass away, allegations of pedophile abuse of children in congregations is apostate lies) however, jehovah wants his people to go beyond not telling outright lies.

  he urged the ancient israelites: “you should be holy, because i, jehovah your god, am holy.” then he gave examples of being holy.

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  The chutzpah!
  
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  She was a fine sister

  by silentlambs in

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  she was a fine sister with a history that went back six generations with jehovahs witnesses.

  her family boasted well over 1000 jw family members, many of which had high station within the organization.

  this proud heritage was marred by another fact in the familys history this sister had not disclosed.

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  Hey Landy,

  I noticed that you had two dislikes for no reason, so I thought this must be a game of doing the opposite of what you intend. Now you have three dislikes
  
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  Morality Without Deity

  by cofty in

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  one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

  it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

  christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

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  John Mann: Just reminding atheism is not science

  True. I may add that science does not intend to support atheism. On the other hand, theism, as interpreted by Christians and most other religions, is thoroughly demolished by science. I have long ago concluded that the strength of Christianity is rooted on the ability of the leaders to maintain the masses ignorant. They have done an excellent job so far.
  
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  My families shunning has gone to a whole new level

  by pale.emperor in

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  8 months df'd.

  loving a life of freedom.

  however, my family are all shunning me.

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  Pale Emperor: I wanted my daughter to know her cousins

  So you care about blood relationships... haven't you learned yet?

  Did you pay attention to what you wrote in your own opening piece??

  The world is full of "cousins". Remember that we have a common ancestor. Why would you limit the cousins of your daughter to just two.

  Are you using your mom as a baby sitter because she is cheaper?